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Albums of the Year: Emma Wilkes & Sean Adams Pick Their Standouts

It’s that time again: lists, arguments, consensus (or lack of it). So.. how do we choose an ultimate “Album of the Year’?
In this episode, Emma Wilkes joins Sean Adams to talk through their favourite albums of 2025. No this is not the definitive list, not the ‘right’ list, just the stuff that has stuck, been obsessed over, demanded repeat listens, or just briefly rearranged their internal wiring.
They also talk openly about the collapse of monoculture, the impossibility of ‘keeping up’, and why criticism still matters amongst the fractured scenes, algorithmic bubbles, and overwhelming volume of new music to choose from.
This is not so much a ranked list and more as two very online music obsessives trying to map a year that refuses to be summarised.
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Edited by: 
Josh Craggs at Dubble Audio
Chapters
00:00 – Hayley Williams and the case for a bold AOTY
01:00 – Emma’s pick: The Callous Daoboys and joyful heaviness
04:00 – Grassroots venues, noise scenes, and Atlanta’s rise
06:30 – Introducing Emma Wilkes: rock, metal & Kerrang!
09:00 – Why heavy music needs catharsis, humour, and chaos
12:00 – Hardcore’s new era and the crossover wave
14:00 – The collapse of monoculture in 2025
16:00 – Discovery fatigue and the algorithm problem
18:30 – Model/Actriz, grief albums, and theatrical noise
22:00 – Heartworms and the art of gothic storytelling
24:00 – Ska, cowbells, and unexpected nostalgia
27:00 – Honourable mentions: Lambrini Girls, Wolf Alice, Nova Twins
30:00 – Hayley Williams’ political arc and southern identity
32:00 – Easter eggs, vocal shifts, and how fans decode albums
34:00 – Allyship, perspective, and storytelling in pop
35:00 – Production notes: Efterklang, Daniel James & sonic detail
37:00 – Why music criticism still matters
39:00 – Emma’s Top 10: heavy, emotional, ambitious
42:00 – Sean’s curveballs: Postcards, DARKSIDE & more
45:00 – So… who really made Album of the Year?
Albums mentioned:
Hayley Williams - Ego Death at a Bachelorette Party
The Callous Daoboys - I Don't Want to See You in Heaven
Backxwash - Only Dust Remains
Kathryn Joseph - We Were Made Prey
FKA twigs - Eusexua Afterglow
Ethel Cain - Perverts
Model/Actriz - Pirouette
Alan Sparhawk - With Trampled by Turtles
Heartworms - Glutton for Punishment
Die Spitz ‧ Something to Consume
Little Simz - Lotus
Lily Allen - West End Girl
The Mynabirds - It's Okay To Go Back If You Keep Moving Forward
Wolf Alice - The Clearing
Turnstile - Never Enough
Addison Rae - Addison
Sharon Van Etten - Sharon Van Etten & The Attachment Theory
Marissa Nadler - New Radiations
Nova Twins - Parasites & Butterflies
Anna von Hausswolff - Iconoclasts
Sudan Archives - The BPM
Horsegirl - Phonetics On and On
JADE - THAT'S SHOWBIZ BABY!
Dave - The Boy Who Played the Harp
Garbage - Let All That We Imagine Be the Light
Scowl - Are We All Angels
Postcards - Ripe
DARKSIDE - Nothing
Jools - Violent Delights
Witch Fever - Fevereaten
Deafheaven - Lonely People with Power
Lambrini Girls - Who Let The Dogs Out
Sprints - All That Is Over
Pinkshift - Earthkeeper
Creeper - Sanguivore II: Mistress of Death
Melody’s Echo Chamber - Unclouded 
HEALTH - CONFLICT DLC
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How Music Fans Can Save The Planet - Tori Tsui on Billie Eilish, Brian Eno & Fossil Fuel Treaty

82% of music fans want to stop climate breakdown but only 3% know what to do. Climate activist Tori Tsui reveals how Billie Eilish, Brian Eno, and Massive Attack are building the infrastructure to turn that care into action.
Recorded backstage at EarthSonic Live in Manchester, this conversation bridges the gap between wanting to help the planet and knowing how.
Drowned in Sound founder Sean Adams meets Tori Tsui, the climate justice activist, author of "It's Not Just You," and senior advisor to the Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty. Tori works with Brian Eno's EarthPercent and Billie Eilish's Overheated climate conferences.
IN THIS EPISODE:• How Tori got Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham to sign the Fossil Fuel Treaty before introducing Massive Attack• What streaming platforms are hiding about their energy use• Why 94% of some carbon credits are phantom scams with no climate benefit• How green touring saves artists money• The Chris Martin/Coldplay connection• What music fans can actually do (beyond guilt)
Organizations mentioned include:• Fossil Fuel Treaty: https://fossilfueltreaty.org • EarthPercent (Brian Eno): https://earthpercent.org • Billie's Overheated: https://www.imoverheated.com • Green touring: https://www.soliphilia.co.uk/
Read Tori's book "It's Not Just You" https://www.toritsui.com/ Follow Tori: Instagram @tori_tsui_
ABOUT DROWNED IN SOUND:Independent music journalism exploring how music catalyzes systemic change.Newsletter: https://drownedinsound.org 
Recorded at EarthSonic Live, Manchester Museum, November 2024.
#ClimateChange #MusicIndustry #BillieEilish #BrianEno #MassiveAttack #ClimateActivism #Podcast

UK Caps Ticket Resale at Face Value: What Took So Long?

The UK Government have announced a landmark decision: ticket resale above face value is to be made illegal, backed by strict limits on service fees and new enforcement powers. After decades of music fans being fleeced by industrial-scale touting, could this be the turning point?
In this special episode, the FanFair Alliance’s Adam Webb (a central figure in the long-running campaign against exploitative secondary ticketing) joins Sean Adams to unpack the announcement, its implications, and what it means for fans, artists, venues, and the future of the live industry.
Webb lays out how the crisis unfolded, with resale platforms enabling huge mark-ups that now cost fans an estimated £112 million a year. They trace the steady pressure that’s been building for years: Trading Standards investigations, CMA interventions, tabloid exposés, Ed Sheeran’s court cases, and sustained evidence-gathering by managers, artists, unions, and campaigners.
Together, Adam and Sean explore the possibilities opened up by this week’s announcement and ask the simple question: what happens when fairness is restored? And will these reforms be delivered quickly enough to stop another cycle of exploitation?
Edited by: 
Josh Craggs at Dubble Audio
Chapters:
00:00 – The scale of the problem: how industrialised touting took hold05:10 – Viagogo, StubHub, and the ecosystem that lets abuse thrive10:45 – The £112 million question: super-touts, bots, and business models16:20 – Ed Sheeran, prosecutions, and the moment artists pushed back22:40 – Why enforcement has failed — and what must change29:15 – Politics, lobbying, and the slow road to reform36:00 – Fans, consent, and the ethics of the live economy41:30 – What a fair ticketing future could look like
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Links & Resources
Fan-Led Review of Music: Parliamentary Inquiry into Ticketing Reformhttps://committees.parliament.uk/work/9161/fanled-review-of-music/
Music Fans Voice: Campaigning for Fair Ticketing and Fan Rightshttps://musicfansvoice.uk/
Which? – Stop Fleecing Fans: Ending Rip-Off Ticket Resalehttps://www.which.co.uk/campaigns/stop-fleecing-fans
Robert Smith: 7,000 Cure Tickets Cancelled on Secondary Siteshttps://accessaa.co.uk/robert-smith-says-7000-the-cure-tickets-have-been-cancelled-on-secondary-resale-websites/
FanFair Alliance: Guide to Buying Tickets Safelyhttps://fanfairalliance.org/resources/
CMA Investigation: Enforcement Action on Secondary Ticketinghttps://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/secondary-ticketing
STAR: The UK’s Ticketing Standards and Consumer Protection Bodyhttps://www.star.org.uk/
Ed Sheeran’s Legal Battle Against Ticket Touts (BBC)https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47620979
Your Consumer Protection Rights (Gov.uk)https://www.gov.uk/consumer-protection-rights
Adam Webb – Updates and Advocacy on Ticketing Reformhttps://twitter.com/webboideas

What crisis?! UK Music’s CEO on our £8 billion industry

How can the UK music industry be both in crisis and booming? In 2024, the sector was worth a record £8 billion to the UK economy but at the same time, grassroots venues are closing, artists are struggling to tour, and AI threatens to steal musicians’ work for the profit of broligarchs.
In this week’s episode, Sean Adams speaks with Tom Kiehl, CEO of UK Music, about the findings in the organisation’s brand new annual report This Is Music 2025. Together they unpack the contradictions of a sector growing on paper but straining at its foundations from slowing post-pandemic growth and the fight for fair AI regulation, to the obstacles making it harder for new artists breaking through.
With reflections on Brexit’s lasting damage, AI’s issues with consent, and a new £1 grassroots levy, it’s a revealing look at an industry at a crossroads.
Edited by: 
Josh Craggs at Dubble Audio
Chapters 00:00 – The £8 Billion Paradox: Growth vs Crisis 03:30 – Who UK Music Represents and What It Does 07:30 – File-Sharing to AI: The Evolution of Rights Battles 13:30 – “Pro-Innovation” or Anti-Artist? AI and Copyright in 2025 18:30 – Levies, Inequality, and the Grassroots Squeeze 24:30 – Breaking Artists in a Post-Pandemic Landscape 29:30 – Rehearsal Spaces, Mentorship, and Missing Infrastructure 35:30 – Why Britain Needs a Music Export Office 41:30 – Ticketing Chaos, Regulation, and the Fan Experience 47:30 – What Fans Can Do: From Campaigns to Collective Power 52:30 – The Future of British Music: Soft Power and Survival
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Links & Resources:
Read UK Music’s This Is Music 2025 Report
UK Music Official Website
UK Music on Instagram
Drowned in Sound Newsletter

Was Indie Sleaze Even Real? Maxïmo Park’s ‘A Certain Trigger’ at 20

How “sleazy” was Indie Sleaze, really - and was it ever a scene that Paul Smith of Maxïmo Park recognised himself in?
At a time when the air was thick with lager and leather jackets, Smith was more inspired by art-school notebooks, Robert Wyatt, and the idea that pop could be poetry.
In this conversation, the Maxïmo Park frontman joins Sean Adams who also lived through the era being retrospectively called “indie sleaze”, was at those early Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Franz Ferdinand, Bloc Party and Libertines shows, released records by Metric and Kaiser Chiefs, etc. 
In this conversation they revisit the making of Maxïmo Park’s Mercury-nominated debut and reflect on what it meant to be outsiders during Britain’s mid-2000s indie boom. Recorded for the album’s twentieth anniversary, the pair unpack the contradictions of that moment - art rock vs lad rock and sincerity vs posturing whilst tracing how those tensions still shape British guitar music today.
From signing to Warp Records and headlining the NME Awards Tour alongside Arctic Monkeys, Mystery Jets and We Are Scientists, to the band’s art-school roots, working-class perspectives, and enduring faith in pop’s emotional truth, this is a deeply human glance back at the legacy of one of the era’s most literate frontmen.
Edited by: 
Josh Craggs at Dubble Audio
Chapters
00:00 – Indie Sleaze, revisionism, and the myth of 200501:46 – Forming an art-school band and the noise scene that shaped them08:30 – From experimental roots to pop hooks: defining the Maxïmo Park DNA14:30 – Signing to Warp Records and finding a home for outsiders20:30 – The whirlwind year: Top of the Pops, the NME Tour, and the cost of success24:30 – Art rock, class, and being mislabeled “sleazy”31:30 – The politics of pop and the poetry of the everyday42:30 – Romance, resistance, and the belief that pop can still mean something
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Links & Resources
Maxïmo Park Official Website
‘The Rise and Fall of Indie Sleaze’ - BBC Podcast
20th Anniversary Edition of A Certain Trigger
Paul Smith & Rachel Unthank Collaborative Album

Putting the Fans First

Live music is nothing without the fans. Generating £5.2 billion to the UK economy PA, employing over 210,000 people and building the careers of those who contribute over £4bn to the export of live music, there is no doubting the UKs reputation as the international home of live music and the birthplace of the festival industry. Every pound of this economic success comes from a fans pocket and the House of Commons Culture Media and Sport committee have decided it’s finally time to put them in the centre of decision making, with a fan led review of Live and Electronic Music. This review aims to champion the areas that work, safeguard the areas under threat and ensure that the health and growth of live music is fair and accessible to all.
Recorded live at Sŵn Festival in Cardiff, Sean Adams introduces a special panel arranged as part of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee’s Fan-Led Review into Live Music and Electronic Music - a landmark inquiry bringing music lovers together to discuss ideas to protect the live music industry and ensure it works in the best interests of music fans across the country. 
The discussion draws fascinating parallels between football and music, two cultures built on passion, loyalty, and community, yet often structured around systems that treat fans as consumers, not stakeholders.
Panellists
Chair – Sam Duckworth 
With a recording artist career as Get Cape. Wear Cape. Fly spanning 20 years, Sam has most recently been working with Music Venue Trust to advocate for greater fan input into Music industry decision making, co-founding the Music Fans Voice survey.
Lord Kevin Brennan
Lord Brennan is Chair of the Fan-Led Review of Live Music, on behalf of the Culture Media and Sport Committee. The Review is bringing music lovers together to discuss ideas to protect the live and electronic music industry and ensure it works in the best interests of music fans across the country. The aim is to produce a report to the Government setting out the perspectives of fans based on survey responses, stakeholder meetings and public engagement events. Lord Brennan has held positions as a Government Minister, former Chair of the APPG on Music and was a member of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee, which produced reports on ‘The future of music festivals’ and ‘The economics of music streaming’. He is also a performing musician.
Dr Lucy Bennett – Lecturer at Cardiff University’s School of Journalism, Media and Culture
Lucy is a leading academic voice on music fandom and popular music culture. She co-founded the Fan Studies Network, has consulted for YouTube, and delivered analysis for the Recording Academy/Grammys. Widely published, she also provides expert commentary for the BBC, The Guardian and The Washington Post. Her teaching spans Media Fandom and Popular Music, Media & Culture, and she recently worked on the Music Fans’ Voice Survey, amplifying live music audiences.
Cathy Long – CEO of Aposto
Having worked with 64 football clubs at the Premier League (spearheading safety and fan experience) , The FSA and co-author of the Accessible Stadia Guide, Cathy is one of English Football’s leading fan experts and a passionate and experienced advocate for Equality and Safety within the game.
Julian Jenkins 
Julian Jenkins is a seasoned sports executive and entrepreneur with over 25 years of experience in the  global sports industry. He has held senior leadership roles across football, licensing, and commercial development, helping to grow fan engagement, brand value, and international partnerships. Julian now lead multiple ventures spanning professional women’s football, AI-driven sports analytics, and creative IP development, blending his passion for sport, community, and innovation. His work focuses on building sustainable models that connect clubs, fans, and brands in more meaningful ways.
Edited by: 
Josh Craggs at Dubble Audio
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Further Reading
Fill in the fan-led review of Live & Electronic Music survey 
Music Fan’s Voice Survey
The Fan Led Review of Live Music – UK Parliament CMS Committee 
Football Supporters’ Association 

How to Empower Music’s Next Generation - DiSpatch from the Youth Music Awards

With 41% of grassroots community music spaces at risk of closure due to financial pressures, what does the future hold for young musicians trying to break through? And what role can the wider industry and everyday fans play in keeping these vital pathways alive?
In this special DiSpatch episode of the Drowned in Sound podcast, Emma Wilkes heads to Troxy in London for Youth Music's annual awards ceremony, which celebrates some of the stars of tomorrow and the grassroots projects behind them. Youth Music is the UK’s largest music charity, providing funding for hundreds of grassroots music organisations and supporting over 100,000 children and young people every year up and down the UK. Their work has never felt so urgent.
Through conversations with industry leaders, grassroots organisers, and emerging artists, this episode explores what equal access to music looks like, the vital importance of grassroots opportunities for young people, and what music fans can actually do to help. From major label perspectives to Cambridge's rising rap talent, we hear how the music industry can and must support the next generation.
Edited by: 
Josh Craggs at Dubble Audio
Chapters:
00:00 – Introduction: Who are Youth Music?
01:50 – Charlotte Edgeworth (Sony Music) on the industry’s role in supporting grassroots music.
05:50 – Dan Tsu (Lyrix Organix) on money vs creativity and mapping pathways for young people.
09:40 – Matt Griffiths (CEO, Youth Music) on meeting young people where they're at.
14:00 – Sister Bliss (Faithless) on giving every young person the opportunity to create. 
17:50 - Dan Tsu (Lyrix Organix) on creating spaces for young people
23:50 – Sister Bliss (Faithless) on what we can do next
28:50 – What comes next? A grassroots funding crisis, and what music fans can do to help.
30:50 – JayaHadADream on Youth Music's impact on her life and career.
32:20 – Resources, Rescue the Roots, and Youth Music’s call to action.
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Links & Resources:
DiS Podcast: Matt Griffiths in conversation with Sean Adams
Youth Music Official Website
Youth Music’s Rescue the Roots Campaign
Youth Music’s Industry Connect Programme
Lyrix Organix Official Website
JayaHadADream Official Website
Cover photo by Jack Oliver.

Music Industry Misconduct: Why The System Still Protects Abusers

In this episode of the Drowned in Sound podcast, Sean Adams and Emma Wilkes are joined by Sophie K and Yasmin from the podcast, ’On Wednesdays We Wear Black’. Together they unpack what accountability really looks like inside the music industry - and why it’s still lagging decades behind.
From the Marilyn Manson, Chris Brown and Brand New controversies to the long-standing normalisation of abuse in classic rock (as laid bare in The Guardian’s review of Look Away), the group explores how power, money, and silence continue to shape who gets forgiven…and who doesn’t.
Edited by: 
Josh Craggs at Dubble Audio
Chapters: 00:00 – Introduction 03:10 – The State of Rock: Power, Money, and Silence 08:45 – Cancel Culture vs Accountability 13:00 – When Does “Sorry” Stop Counting? 18:25 – Justice Without a System 23:40 – The Media’s Role in Reckoning 30:10 – What the Look Away Documentary Reveals 37:20 – Generational Shifts and Moral Gray Areas 45:00 – Lazy Activism and Online Moralism 52:15 – Festivals, Representation, and Tokenism 58:00 – Closing Thoughts: Can the Industry Evolve?
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Further Reading, Links & Mentions:
On Wednesdays We Wear Black Podcast
Look Away -  horrifying stories of abuse at the hands of male rock stars (The Guardian)
Bodies: Life and Death in Music — Ian Winwood
The Persuaders - Anand Giridharadas

An ethical guide to quitting Spotify

In part two of our Drowned in Sound podcast series on the Spotify exodus, Sean Adams sits down with Alexa Speed (founder of Cut Off The Spigot), and artist Kadhja Bonet alongside returning guest Laura Burhenn (The Mynabirds) to unpack the growing backlash against Spotify and other streaming giants.
From Spotify’s billion-dollar AI investments and Daniel Ek’s controversial war drone ventures to the ethics of billionaire ownership and music’s place in post-capitalist culture, Sean and this week’s guests dive into the details and ask what happens when artists say enough is enough.
We hear why Kadhja pulled her music from Spotify, how Alexa interrogates corporate influence behind streaming platforms, and what the alternatives are (including Bandcamp, Qobuz and more). We also imagine a future where creativity and community outweigh convenience, and where art is valued for its inherent social good, not algorithmic profitability. Far-fetched? Let’s find out.
Edited by: 
Josh Craggs at Dubble Audio
Chapters:
00:00 – Introduction: The Spotify Exodus
03:15 – Why Artists Are Leaving Streaming Platforms
08:45 – Daniel Ek’s Investments in AI and Defence Tech
13:20 – The Ethics of Streaming: Profit vs Planet
18:05 – Billionaires, Protest, and Power
22:40 – Kadhja Bonet: Why I Pulled My Music from Spotify
27:55 – Laura Burhenn on Journalism, Accountability & Platforms
34:10 – Alternatives: Bandcamp, Qobuz, and Ethical Listening
40:00 – The Role of Joy and Dance in Resistance
46:45 – Building a Post-Capitalist Music Culture
52:30 – What Comes After Spotify?
57:00 – Closing Reflections & Future Visions
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Links & Mentions
Cut Off The Spigot
Kadhja Bonet on Bandcamp
Kadhja Bonet on Instagram
The Mynabirds
Laura Burhenn on Instagram
Flashes (Bluesky app)
Ghost: The Social Web
The Verge on Ghost 6 and the Social Web

Drowned in Sound is 25 today: Big lessons from the past and a new era unfurls

DiS founder Sean Adams sits down with DiS’s newest staff writer, Emma Wilkes, to mark 25 years of Drowned in Sound and what the future holds for the website, newsletter, and podcast. 
They reflect on Emma’s recent interview with Jeremy Corbyn as he champions grassroots venues, and turn the tables by asking each other questions usually reserved for podcast guests. Sean finally reveals how he would spend the $450m Spotify gave Joe Rogan, as this conversation explores the intersection of music, politics, journalism, and the survival of independent culture.
Sean and Emma discuss how music can be a gateway into politics (and vice versa), the pressures facing artists, publicists, and journalists in today’s music industry, and what a fairer ecosystem could look like. They also imagine music’s future in 2050 - the hopes, fears, and possibilities of where culture might go next.
Edited by: 
Josh Craggs at Dubble Audio
Chapters:
00:00 – Introducing Emma Wilkes & 25 years of DiS 02:00 – Jeremy Corbyn, grassroots venues & music for the many 07:00 – Why music and politics can’t be separated 14:00 – Music as a gateway into politics 15:00 – Ticketmaster, Live Nation & the fight for fairness 18:00 – What is journalism today? 24:00 – Asking questions, telling stories & accountability in music journalism 29:00 – $450m for Joe Rogan: how should money flow into culture? 33:00 – Building connections between artists and audiences 37:00 – Music media as infrastructure 39:00 – Supporting mental health and addiction in the music industry 45:00 – Stress behind the scenes: labels, PRs & campaign work 46:00 – The albums we love and buried treasures 48:00 – Music in 2050: hopes, fears & future sounds 57:00 – What’s next for DiS at 25
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Links:
Drowned in Sound Newsletter
Emma Wilkes on interviewing Jeremy Corbyn (DiS)
Music Venue Trust – safeguarding grassroots venues
Music Minds Matter – mental health support for musicians